Hello- He's Lucifer. Satan. The devil.
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Hello- He's Lucifer. Satan. The devil.
Oh, you mean that Lucifer? Ol' Lucifer? He's a friend living a few floors down of mine. Still, why does he want to burn churches? Can't he see how useful a church actually is - as long as you're the priest in charge? Tsk tsk...
Mmm....... I still rather Hild, as the leader of hell ^^U
You wanted Luci's services now right?... cool avatar, yes! ^^
<font color="#345E81" size="1">[ April 25, 2005 05:30 PM: Message edited by: Melfice ]</font>
You wanted Luci's services now right?
Ohh exploitable! :-○
Agh! Sorry, my mistake! ^^U But well, in exchange of your soul Lucifer may grant you anything, right?
Nice Ave Xel. At least he's not gay lol
I'm pretty sure he's bi.
Haha alright, alright! ^^;;
I get it.
you bet it, is much more pragmatic. [img]tongue.gif[/img] no dinstinction between men or women!
Yep. A lot of Angel Sanctuary deals iwth how stupid the boundaries set up by religions *Cough cough* are, and most of the characters tend to ignore them.
how stupid the boundaries set up by religions *Cough cough* are
Yes, they are... Although sexual orientation is not really set by religion but nature, from our ancestors to our very cells, from insects to humans. You don't want to stick it up another man's ass because it's in your nature not to want to, just like it's in your nature to not want to suffer pain, or to breathe air.
You keep telling yourself that.
You won't engay me, mostly because even if upper brain considered it, lower brain only gets hard for girls, and lower brain overrides upper brain.
Moreover, you haven't explained how come straightness and gayness are a matter of religion, and I doubt you can, because no matter what religion says, sex is older, and it's through working sex how life (not only humanity) came to be what it is now. Calling normal people weird because of religion is like saying violence was invented in anime. Besides, you seem to forget most atheists are straight, and most straight people are not straight because a priest told them where cock goes, but because of where cock wants to go.
Replace "every" with "my" and you'll have a correct statement.
Ancient Greeks had sex with guys. It felt ogod, and they flet that only men were equal to one another. It wasn't until a few certain religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam (Note that these all are from the common father, Abraham), that being gay was an evil.
And animals are gay for pleasure. Look at monkeys, the closest to man.
No matter what you say, we seek pleasure, breeding is not always what we want. And when it comes to pleasure, your cock doesn't differentiate, your higher conciousness does. And your higher conciousness is subject to influences such as society, religion, and what you find aesthetically appealing. It's no different than how I like brunette white women with blue or brown eyes the best, while you like Asian women best.
Oh, and I'm not trying to engay you. If you haven't noticed, nearly everytime that this comes up, it's you throwing your closeminded mindset at me, as a jest, yet mocking my midset still.
<font color="#345E81" size="1">[ April 27, 2005 03:14 PM: Message edited by: Xellos ]</font>
PWND!!!!
Are you sure you're not gay? lol J/K. Thx for the info btw
*Sigh* Do you think a girl's a lesbian when she says how she finds another girl pretty? There's no difference. I'm just not stickingw itht he general male macho homophobia-ness, and can appreciate pretty guys for being pretty. No actual attraction or anything, just a simple appreciation of it, the same as if you find a beautiful sculpture to be beautiful, without wnating to hump a hole in it. Not everything aesthetically appealing is converted into sexual terms, and just because it's applied to humans, it doesn't mean that either.
IRT Xellos(1): Ancient Greeks had sex with guys.
I know. I said 95%. It was not a generalized practice in ancient almost-everything-else.
It wasn't until a few certain religions [...] that being gay was an evil.
I don't care what religions say. There's no "evil" per se, but it's unnatural and beyond my fuckup threshold. It is evil (not in a religious way) though when it's about destroying MY traditions (marriage and family; fags should find their own), and adopting and misleading children.
And animals are gay for pleasure. Look at monkeys, the closest to man.
Not all, and not always.
No matter what you say, we seek pleasure, breeding is not always what we want.
No matter what you say, I don't find pleasurable to fuck a guy's hairy ass.
And when it comes to pleasure, your cock doesn't differentiate, your higher conciousness does.
You're wrong. Pleasure is far more mental than physical. Despite my jokes on upper vs. lower brain, pleasure is a matter of what the brain likes, and what the brain likes is a matter of instinct combined with taste. I'm sure you'd enjoy fucking a hot, young girl far better than an old, fat woman, even if their pussies were the same.
And your higher conciousness is subject to influences such as society, religion, and what you find aesthetically appealing.
You forget we have instinct. And it's because of this instinct that sex is pleasurable. If it weren't for our natural instinct, rubbing cock would be like rubbing ring finger.
If you haven't noticed, nearly everytime that this comes up, it's you throwing your closeminded mindset at me, as a jest, yet mocking my midset still.
That was "4chan /b/tard pic". This is "friendly discussion".
IRT Xellos(2): Do you think a girl's a lesbian when she says how she finds another girl pretty?
Nope, and for the record, I'll say I find a few guys decent (as opposed to other guys which are just nasty) and that doesn't make me gay. However, if I go and say "Leonardo DiCaprio looks better than most other actors", you are in your right to exploit posting a hundred image macros calling me fag XP , regardless of if I'm actually gay, or if I wouldn't fuck a guy even if it were the last hole left in Earth.
general male macho homophobia-ness
I don't mind homophobia because gays are normalophobic anyways (although I'd bet my head you wouldn't admit this). But if you think it's homophobic to say gays can't marry because it's OUR civil union not theirs, tell me something. Would you call half of the world white-phobic if a bunch of whites demanded other races to pay them money and everyone and their mother told these whites to fuck off?
can appreciate pretty guys for being pretty. No actual attraction or anything, just a simple appreciation of it, the same as if you find a beautiful sculpture to be beautiful, without wnating to hump a hole in it.
I know.
You defend gays so fiercely though, it's like a bald man trying to sell baldness prevention products.
Actually, society tells you where your cock goes. Before that, you just do what feels good. And if that hole is pussy, ass, rat or melon, if it felt good, you'll do it again.
That's not true. We have a natural tendency to like women. Otherwise things could be very different in other cultures, and yet you can see 95% of them ain't with this gay fad.
It's in every man's instinct to like pretty, smooth, curvy, feminine women, just like it's in every woman's instinct to like manly men.
Likewise, whales won't attempt to fuck same sex whales up the ass. They naturally go for the opposite sex.
I would say Xel has won here. Unless Wiseman makes an excellent response, he's lost.
IRT Xellos: I believed we would be friends enough to be able to talk about something we disagree in a friendly fashion, and for my part, I was. Turns out I was wrong. I have taken the appropiate notes and will avoid repeating this mistake in the future.
All I have to say is I must be quite a strange homophobe to have hundreds of megs of yuri. And even if I am, you're no better than me, being a traditional-phobe.
<font color="#345E81" size="1">[ April 28, 2005 05:00 AM: Message edited by: -Wiseman- ]</font>
The thing is, why talk about something we've gone over countless times in the past? I'm willing to listen to your viewpoint, and consider it, but you never are with others on certain subjects, such as this.
Traditional-phobic? No. I dont' mind traditions at all (As an example, I don't really have a problem with most organized religions as long as they mind their own business, it's when they're interfering with everyone else like Christianity does thatI disapprove of them), however when a tradition causes unfair conditions for people, or harms the progress of humanity, then I disapprove.This is most definitely one of these times that it causes unfair conditions, and why? Because people find gays to be lesser than they are? Just like whites found blacks to be lesser? It all comes down to the same reason for almost all negative discrimination against people- One group fears them out of a lack of knowledge. If you knew 100% that people were gay from birth, and only attention whores (Which there will always be, no matter the conditions. In fact, by discriminating against gays, you're only encouraging attention whores) will be swayed in their lifetime to change sexuality, any logic that is in the 'gay parents=gay children' argument is completely lost, as one's sexuality is predetermined from inside the womb.
It's rather rare to find a young guy who doeesn't find lesis hot, then hypocritically abhors gays. It doesn't make you any les of a homophobe, just a hypocritical one.
Regardless of anything, I'm just tired of saying the same of the same old arguments, only to have points refuted without whoever (Not just you, arguing with homophobes is common) seemingly actually considering what I've said.
<font color="#345E81" size="1">[ April 28, 2005 07:59 AM: Message edited by: Xellos ]</font>
Your counter points to my own don't disprove mine at all. Nearly all? I'm sorry, it's no point discussing something when you can't even put up a valid argument anymore. Don't just say this is a friendly discussion; It's rather annoying when you're discussing things with a brick wall, if you will.
And may I saw what the fuck:<font size="2" face="Verdana,sans-serif">Because we all know gays being married or having families totally destroys the ability for you to get married to a woman and raise straight kids. And also, every gay parent is going to attempt to make their kids be gay (When it's mostly something that you're stuck with from birth) because every parent loves their kids enough that they want them to be rdiculed and prejudiced against their ientire life.Quote:
It is evil (not in a religious way) though when it's about destroying MY traditions (marriage and family; fags should find their own), and adopting and misleading children.
You are a closeminded homophobe, whose beliefs ont his subject are rather unfounded, and seriously need to update as the times do. Yet again, I throw out the interracial marriage thing. People thought of those people as destorying 'their' customs of family and marriage, and that they would led more down the path.
But I forgot, this is absolutely nothing alike!
I'm out. I could cite your next post point for point right now, as it's always the same closeminded dribble.
<font color="#345E81" size="1">[ April 28, 2005 12:32 AM: Message edited by: Xellos ]</font>
It was joke, he admited it =P
Oh, okay. I wasn't sure, because of how heartily he defends the "homo" side ^^U
Considering and agreeing with are not to be confused.
Was a joke. Guys are disgusting to me, I only like pretty faces, and I love the female form too much.
Pure curiosity, sorry! let's continue with the thread, shall we?
He really is a homo, tay-tay folder is proof enough.
lol, or not [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Give the body their bodyly stuff, and leave heavens be full of pigeon's shit.
Man is an odd animal, Animals themselves have their instincts, that is what guide them, and that's why they do the things they do.
Scientifically speaking it is said they do that to train for when the real chance comes to them. But the reality is that "sex" between individuals of the same gender is a natural reallity, only that it is aimed to train them. It doesn't mean at all that animals are gay or not, is only a mere question of instincts.
Humans have partners, that partner normally is of the oposite gender of the individual we are taking in consideration, but humans are also capable of negating their own instincts, or perhaps, rewrite them according to their own will, given the fact that humans are selfconscients and that they have their own will.
Homosexuality is an instinct really, or a custom?... I believe is a choice. and as choice, it has a part of instinct and a part of will.
Wow! this has been indeed a real offtopic! At least it has been an interesting discusion ^^U
Xell, answer me a question, please, for mere curiosity, you don't have to answe if you don't feel like that. When in April's 1st you said you had become homo, was it a joke, or are you indeed homo? i'm not sure.
<font color="#345E81" size="1">[ April 28, 2005 12:05 PM: Message edited by: Melfice ]</font>
noone knows who is Xel. Who are you???? XD
Xel=Mystery
You should know that by now. Altho, I was lucky to hear his voice once...
Nope, Xel=Xel that's all if Xel>=0 XD
Damn, this place needs some better users.
Thx Ocb, I like you too ?_?
IRT Zeus: What's Tay-Tay?
Do we dare ask?